@Troof, I would say it’s the other way around…he’s the clueless one for thinking the friend route is ever going to get him anywhere with this girl (been there, tried that, learned an expensive lesson in the process). She’s the gutless one for not being willing to tell him directly that he has no hope in hell of ever escaping her friend zone, especially with the level of weak, supplicating behavior he’s displaying. Countless movies and tv shows have been bs’ing us with the opposite view for years. Sadly, that’s the script this dude is trying to succeed by…and it never, ever works!
Spoken like a true 14 year old. I take it a lot of guys think the nice guy route is weak. Being a hardass might work if your only interest is getting laid, but if you plan on a long term relationship, friendship is a good place to start. Why? Because if you can’t be friends, too, the relationship ends the minute you have to deal with that person from the waist up. The bad boy thing only turns on high school girls and women with extemely low self esteem.
in real life, omegaman you’ve a window of opportunity, to turn the nice guy friend zone thing into something more. after a certain amount of time, if you’ve not transitioned into being the nice boyfriend, you’re stuck. there are rare exceptions, outside of movies and TV.
“Spoken like a true 14 year old.” Gee, was that directed at me, Mr. Omegamuffin? Because I’ve tried going the friendship route back when I was younger and didn’t know what I didn’t know, and the girl just ends up being repulsed by you in the end. Also, only a 14 year old would interpret my comment (or those of others here) as suggesting that the only alternate path to being the nice guy is being a prick…not so! It’s about the balance of acting with confidence and certainty WHILE being a gentleman, not wasting any time when in the presence of a girl you really want.
Rocky1818 is right. You’ll never get anywhere with the “best friend” routine. At some point, if you want the girl, you have to make your true feelings known – draw a line in the sand, so to speak. Otherwise, it’s all a lie. You just can’t be someone’s friend when you’re lusting after them.
If you’re love is chaste, and there is no physical desire whatsoever, that’s a different story. Only when the physical attraction is embraced or completely done away with can two people appreciate each other for who they are.